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Tuesday, August 09, 2005

BOWIE BBC 1997.01.05 - Divine Symmetry

This, my friends(though are you really friends, when you can't even be arsed to leave a simple comment?..Hmm), is one of THE best BBC sessions he ever did. Have I already said that about another one? Yes probably. There are some great songs on this one though and the way he sings them...fucking brilliant. Unfortunately this has just done the rounds on some message boards and subsequently picked up by the blog aggregators and clickredfuckyou so you might already have it. Sorry I'm a bit late but I got this with all the others, from a seperate source and am not just reposting someone else's.
Anyway who owns the music? That's right it's David Bowie! Or is it a record Company..Probably.
We share it though don't we.
That is a laugh.
The defence of most people who use peer 2 peer software or download copyrighted music: we are filesharers they claim; it actually encourages sales of the real CD's they claim.
What a load of old bollocks and you and I know it!
We or YOU are not sharing anything are we?
I mean, imagine if I went out and robbed some old lady in the street. That is stealing right. Then I later go into the town and give the money I got from the robbery to some random tramps and dossers that need money. That is generous right?
However being generous doesn't negate the fact that a crime was committed to enable the generosity and filesharing is, as we have all read in various techy news reports, simply put: stealing. You take a CD say, of your own. You bought it so it's yours ok?
Now, that is fine.
Then you rip the CD to your PC and the MP3 files are yours also. Then you fire up some crappy P2P app like urgh!.. winMX and allow those MP3's to be shared in the P2P 'community'. Someone uploads the whole albums worth of MP3's from you. Now they have the album. The quality was very good so they decide to make a CD out of it. They burn the CD and hey presto! They just got themselves a copy of the latest CD and it cost them nothing.
Even I, someone who really doesn't give two shits about the whole thing, can see that it is stealing.
Do you care?
Neither do I. But let's not hide behind this: we are innocent sharers CRAP because sharers share things that they already own.
If you rip CD's and then spread 'em around then you are giving away something that you don't own. They call it intellectual property I believe. Though if you listen to someone like Eminem or Pavement you do wonder if they count as 'intellectual' anything(!).
So. I just want you to be prepared to stand up and be counted if they really try to shut the whole thing down. Something which I see as a complete impossibility. They shut down one protocol or service for filesharing, someone invents another one. That is the way it goes. They cannot shut us all down. But if they debate it and people are denying the illegality by making ludicrous claims for 'innocent filesharing' then how are we to gain any credibility at all. If we cannot even at least admit what we are doing?
Next time you post something in an online debate on the subject, have the balls to say 'Yes I steal music but I don't give a fuck. I don't think it hurts the industry half as much as you say and you know what?? I would NEVER have bought the fucking music anyway!' (that is just as good a defence in my opinion!)


Enjoy this the antepenultimate Bowie posting!


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Look at this shit:

What a load of shite!
Scary stuff huh

This is 'The Man's attempt to frighten people. It is comical if it wasn't so absolutely out of touch as well. Anyone with half a brain knows just how easy it is to download and be pretty much untraceable, and we all know that their resources don't stretch to watching every fucking network, server and p2p protocol online. With threatening ads like this they really are going to get far aren't they. Damn it. Reminds me of those English public information films in the 80's that said 'JUST SAY NO'(they even had a just say no song!!!) and 'HEROIN KILLS'..Didn't really stop a lot of people getting into drugs.

More Bowie coming up.
First person to leave a comment gets erm...a prize of some kind.
I jest not.
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Anonymous Stormie said...

More great Bowie.. most excellent dude.. you rock!!!

8/09/2005 05:49:00 pm  
Anonymous Penny said...

well, you do have a rather plethoric way of expressing yourself and your likes & dislikes ;-)

8/09/2005 05:53:00 pm  
Anonymous Manitoba said...

It's not just your FINE blog that get's very few comments. It wouldn't hurt for people just to say a thank you. I remember "regnyouth" not getting many, then when he said he was gonna pack it in..WOW.. loads of people pleading for him to stay. Just say no, Wasn't that a song by "Grange Hill". Great choice of Fav Bowie album Btw.

8/09/2005 06:19:00 pm  
Blogger hitmewithit said...

Hehe yes, Grange Hill did the song. Brilliant wasn't it?!
A plethoric way of expressing myself?
Is that a compliment?
I doubt it. If it's irony I don't get it.
As for my likes and dislikes... If I feel a rant coming on: I rant. Nothing complex about that. I don't like to edit or be fake about it. I write from my mind, straight to the page. If it seems erratic or plethoric that's because I am, at that time, feeling that way.

At least you commented though ;)
any more...?

8/09/2005 07:02:00 pm  
Anonymous Penny said...

No, it was not ironic :-( Mea culpa if it felt so ... It is nice to see/read/listen to people who know what and why they like/dislike and can also express it in an interesting, personal way ... As for "plethoric", in greek it has a positive sense, hope it does in english as well ;-)

8/09/2005 07:12:00 pm  
Blogger Satisfied '75 said...

ok, pavement are intellectual property!! ;)

8/09/2005 07:26:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agree with your stealing stance 100%, but after buying 2,500 cds(over 15 years or so) I decided to start stealing the stuff I was only mildly interested in hearing. I still buy some records from bands that I like, but fukkit, 2,500+ CDs is enough investment in the music biz - and those bastards felt no sympathy for me when I "had" to update from vinyl to cd, so why should I care about them now?

8/10/2005 02:41:00 am  
Anonymous Pint of Bitter said...

I spend so much money over at Friggin' itunes. Do i feel guilty to download some albums i wouldn't go out and buy..NO FUCKING WAY. Like this is gonna hurt people like Bowie and VASTLY OVERRATED Band Coldplay. Please don't download our album for nothing..SHUT IT Chris Martin.

8/10/2005 09:06:00 am  
Anonymous El Mike said...

Hi can I just say thanks for all the Bowie, it's all stuff I would never have had heard otherwise.

8/10/2005 01:34:00 pm  
Anonymous The Genius said...

Here is a big thanks for the Bowie stuff. As to stealing the music, well - I agree with our friend above I have well in excess of 2500 CDs, I have seven legal copies of "Heroes". I don't see the loss by downloading a live version that hasn't been officially released?

If I like the music I buy it, if there are decent bootlegs around I acquire them. Normally the boots are of bands where I have all the official releases and have paid to go and see them as well. So they have done pretty well out of me.

Then there is the next category of interesting music that I download and really do go and buy some of the artist, recently have been buying Missy Elliott on the basis of a download. Now is that any different to me going the record library in 1980 borrowing a record, taping it (Home taping is killing music" - It didnt, bollox then, bollocks now)and then buying other records by the same artist.

And, finally the musc bizz has just said how reliant it is on 30 - 40 year olds, well, and I'm just guessing here but that probably is just about most music bloggers... If the record companies think they're losing watch them squeel of the music blog / review system was fully banned. An industry whose bigger players can watch there share price shudder with a late Coldplay album really should understand the power of their audience. Their sales WOULD drop!

And one more thing, whilst maintaining their crap stance about online music why have I just bought the Kaiser Chiefs 3 months ago and now been offered an alternative version of the same album (i'll download it rather than buy it again), why do I have to but another copy of Paul Wellers Studio 150 to get a copy of the live CD in the new improved version, what better incentive have I got than to download the live tracks for free. If the record company takes the piss then what to they expect in return...

...rereleases with bonus tracks and studio outakes. They were outtakes for a reason - they were usually shit - the Free rereleases were a case in point. Bought the lot and most of the additional tracks should have been wiped in the early seventies.

And finally if I own the vinyl then I have a legitimate right to copy it for my own use, so if I download it is that illegal? I think not, providing I keep the vinyl as I have already paid for the right to own and play that intellectual property for my own purpose in perpituity.

rant over

Thanks for all the postings, drop by the Genius website some time.


8/10/2005 08:01:00 pm  
Anonymous Stormie said...

No Posts today, hope you are OK?

8/10/2005 10:28:00 pm  
Blogger hitmewithit said...

Wow. That got probably my biggest response so far. *mental note-talk about filesharing, people actually do care!*
Well, firstly thanks for the comments. Secondly...hmm where do I start?
I must confess that, unlike a few here, I don't have, as you seem to view it, automatic rights to download 'because I own it already' see, I don't own the music already when I download it. I am genuinely not caring about the artists, the companies or indeed anyone that has helped contribute to the making of the music that I freely download whenever I want to.
I am not exactly a peasant but let me tell you I am pretty much in the poor financial bracket, in the UK. When I say I wouldn't have bought the damn music anyway I really do mean that! I wouldn't have bought it for the simple reason that I need any cash I have to spend on living costs! Buying Cds? No way!
So as much as I admire the honesty and some of the pints and feelings expressed above, I cannot join in because it is a million miles away from my standpoint.
I do wonder why you would have or want to own so many copies of the same record??
As I would not buy it anyway then that kind of makes the RIAA stance against people like me a bit hollow. How can I be taking money away from them?
Answer: by making files available to people who CAN afford to buy them. Yet a lot of you have already told me that you DO buy the music if you like it, you want to own the CD for yourself.
Me, I don't care what the music is on, as long as the quality is good and I can bloody hear it!

Think of the folks in places in Africa...happily content to listen to an old tinny radio all day and no idea about the way people like us are not happy unless we OWN the CD, never mind the fact that we can get digital quality sound files for free!

8/12/2005 01:35:00 pm  
Blogger hitmewithit said...

Oh and I am still selling my vinyl collection...massive collection I should say! on ebay. Some of it just won't seel for a high enough proce..bastards! So I agree with you one in the industry gives a fuck about the consumer when they decide to ditch old standards and usher in the new. As we all know..the new standard only lasts a few years these days, if that, until another newer standard comes in. And so we are supposed to spend spend spend.
fuck spending. I need to live and I like music in my life. So sue me.

8/12/2005 01:37:00 pm  
Blogger hitmewithit said...

@ PENNY:- I do get your meaning now re: plethoric. Thank's a compliment I've never had before and probably never will again.

8/12/2005 01:38:00 pm  

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